Yes but what is the answer and why do so many agencies expect divergent thinking and not true creativity? From what I can gather degree education is becoming elitist. They reckon it’ll take at least ¬£170 a month in a share account for 18 yrs to finance. Fuck that when there’s no guarantee there’s a job at the end of it and as for studying for advertising well it’s just going to be full of chinless wonders from bollocky boring middle class homes trying to tap into the psyche of the rest of the country. Shit they are here already. Hence why most of advertising is total shite now.
Ben,
As part of the recurring theme of “We’re all fucking fucked”, I submit to you a humble request:
Don’t know if you’ve done this in the past, I certainly don’t recall it, but could you do a post on headhunters?
The shit. The good. The excellent. The ones to suck the toes of. The ones to take seriously. The ones to completely fucking ignore and get a restraining order against. The knob-jockey ones who’ll help get you a great job because they have an obvious liking for your bottom. Or even the ones to set up a meeting with just to stare at their tits.
Having just done something which is not quite masturbating in the agency reception, but is ultimately leading to the same inevitable conclusion, I find myself in need of future employment.
If it helps (and even if it doesn’t, it’ll have the beautiful result of pissing 95% of your readers off) consider me a Seymour. A Seymour who’s about to become a fucking tramp. So having a book-crit and entrusting my livelihood to some cunt who was an account manager at McCann for 6 months before embarking on an exciting career in recruitment is not going to make me a happy fucking camper.
And freelance? What about that shit? What’s the best way to go about it: through an agent or man-alone?
In addition to helping me to feed my kids, think of the all the lovely bile this post would result in.
That’s a bit tricky. I have covered freelancing a lot in the past (use the search bar on the side to find the posts).
Headhunters? I get asked this question regularly by friends and friends of friends and I’m afraid I don’t have a huge amount of experience in the area.
Both Victoria Sacker of Sacker Gooding and Tanya Livesey of the Talent Business have got me a lot of work in the past couple of years, and I’m currently in the middle of a good job that I got through Blue Indigo, but I’ve had a similar amount of work through friends/personal contacts.
I might do a post about this but the one thing I find about all headhunters: they are not brilliant at returning your calls if they haven’t got a job for you. This takes a bit of getting used to, but once you accept it, it makes sense: no one likes giving bad news and they are very busy people. It’s good to keep on their radars but don’t be annoying.
Sacker seems an unfortunate premonition of a name. Recruitment agents worth their salt are the ones who are able to persuade and convince clients that their candidates are the biz. Trouble is present a chequered unconventional past to them and they won’t give you a future. Completely stumps the box tickers.
Have you watched the whole series of RSAnimate, Ben? What a great way to present ideas.
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The one by Daniel Pink on what motivates us is amazing – they are all on youtube under RSAnimate.
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John W you make a good point re what sort of people will end up in agencies or as you state are already here in some cases. Do you think advertising is or will be a place to go if you can’t get a job with Daddy in the city?
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I’ve seen quite a few including the Pink one (I think I put it up on here).
As far as John’s point goes, I don’t think Headhunters are there to get you your first job in advertising, and if you’ve already worked in it then you should have some relevant experience.
If you want to break into advertising with no prior experience it seems reasonable that you should have to present yourself in such a way that the employer can see what’s in it for him.
Even if you’ve been a landscape gardener and a fighter pilot, that shouldn’t stop you being able to put a book together in a month, and then that’s all a CD should care about (to give you a placement).
Sychophantic in the city? Surely not?
I heard it was all meritocratic now!
Surely a life of sheltered delusion is no place to come from when it comes to ‘doing’ advertising. When it comes to ‘being in’ advertising it seems to be all the rage.
As for a book is all a cd should care about.
When was the last bus driver, landscape gardner employed? Who ‘Bucks’ the system these days?
Yes but what is the answer and why do so many agencies expect divergent thinking and not true creativity? From what I can gather degree education is becoming elitist. They reckon it’ll take at least ¬£170 a month in a share account for 18 yrs to finance. Fuck that when there’s no guarantee there’s a job at the end of it and as for studying for advertising well it’s just going to be full of chinless wonders from bollocky boring middle class homes trying to tap into the psyche of the rest of the country. Shit they are here already. Hence why most of advertising is total shite now.
Ben,
As part of the recurring theme of “We’re all fucking fucked”, I submit to you a humble request:
Don’t know if you’ve done this in the past, I certainly don’t recall it, but could you do a post on headhunters?
The shit. The good. The excellent. The ones to suck the toes of. The ones to take seriously. The ones to completely fucking ignore and get a restraining order against. The knob-jockey ones who’ll help get you a great job because they have an obvious liking for your bottom. Or even the ones to set up a meeting with just to stare at their tits.
Having just done something which is not quite masturbating in the agency reception, but is ultimately leading to the same inevitable conclusion, I find myself in need of future employment.
If it helps (and even if it doesn’t, it’ll have the beautiful result of pissing 95% of your readers off) consider me a Seymour. A Seymour who’s about to become a fucking tramp. So having a book-crit and entrusting my livelihood to some cunt who was an account manager at McCann for 6 months before embarking on an exciting career in recruitment is not going to make me a happy fucking camper.
And freelance? What about that shit? What’s the best way to go about it: through an agent or man-alone?
In addition to helping me to feed my kids, think of the all the lovely bile this post would result in.
Hmmm…
That’s a bit tricky. I have covered freelancing a lot in the past (use the search bar on the side to find the posts).
Headhunters? I get asked this question regularly by friends and friends of friends and I’m afraid I don’t have a huge amount of experience in the area.
Both Victoria Sacker of Sacker Gooding and Tanya Livesey of the Talent Business have got me a lot of work in the past couple of years, and I’m currently in the middle of a good job that I got through Blue Indigo, but I’ve had a similar amount of work through friends/personal contacts.
I might do a post about this but the one thing I find about all headhunters: they are not brilliant at returning your calls if they haven’t got a job for you. This takes a bit of getting used to, but once you accept it, it makes sense: no one likes giving bad news and they are very busy people. It’s good to keep on their radars but don’t be annoying.
Your kindness is much appreciated.
If there was a god-type-thing, it would be looking very kindly on you at present. But there’s not.
Just to clear that up once and for all.
As a quid pro quo, tell us your ‘masturbating in reception’ story.
Sacker seems an unfortunate premonition of a name. Recruitment agents worth their salt are the ones who are able to persuade and convince clients that their candidates are the biz. Trouble is present a chequered unconventional past to them and they won’t give you a future. Completely stumps the box tickers.
It’s not very exciting, I’m afraid.
Utter undisguised and vocal disdain for social media may have been the clincher.
That and money.
Have you watched the whole series of RSAnimate, Ben? What a great way to present ideas.
—
The one by Daniel Pink on what motivates us is amazing – they are all on youtube under RSAnimate.
—
John W you make a good point re what sort of people will end up in agencies or as you state are already here in some cases. Do you think advertising is or will be a place to go if you can’t get a job with Daddy in the city?
—
I’ve seen quite a few including the Pink one (I think I put it up on here).
As far as John’s point goes, I don’t think Headhunters are there to get you your first job in advertising, and if you’ve already worked in it then you should have some relevant experience.
If you want to break into advertising with no prior experience it seems reasonable that you should have to present yourself in such a way that the employer can see what’s in it for him.
Even if you’ve been a landscape gardener and a fighter pilot, that shouldn’t stop you being able to put a book together in a month, and then that’s all a CD should care about (to give you a placement).
Obviously this is old as fuck, but it made me laugh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVmmYMwFj1I
If I was on Popbitch right now I would have to just write ‘corn’.
Sychophantic in the city? Surely not?
I heard it was all meritocratic now!
Surely a life of sheltered delusion is no place to come from when it comes to ‘doing’ advertising. When it comes to ‘being in’ advertising it seems to be all the rage.
As for a book is all a cd should care about.
When was the last bus driver, landscape gardner employed? Who ‘Bucks’ the system these days?