ITIAPTWC Episode 53 – Matt Follows


Here’s my chat with Matt Follows, an award-winning creative turned mental health professional and coach.

After 20 years as a writer/creative director at places like W+K, M&C Saatchi, Clemenger and Naked, he left the industry to retrain as a performance psychologist, psychotherapist and clinical hypnotherapist at King’s College, London.
He’s now been working in this field for nearly 10 years, and for the past 6 years he’s been specialising in coaching creative leaders from advertising, film, TV, design and tech in all parts of the globe. If you’re into some of that, his site is here.
He also coaches the leadership team at Fox and runs ‘sustainable high performance’ trainings for numerous ad, marketing and PR agencies, production companies etc, and has spoken at D&AD and most recently in Cannes, giving a talk called “Help! My Creative Brain Hurts.”
We discussed…

His early advertising career.

Transitioning into mental health.

The mental health stuff, including…


The ‘Creative INDUSTRY’.

Battery farming creativity.

Lack of control, clarity, purpose and self.

As mentioned in the pod, you can find out more about Matt’s book The Dopamine Switch by clicking on this link and watching the little film that’s full of endorsements from the great and the good of the ad world. Then support its existence by preordering it.

Here’s the iTunes link, the Soundcloud link and our chat:



No More Placements

I think the placement system is damaging the entire ad industry.

For those of you who haven’t yet been through it, the placement system is a kind of creative internship whereby a junior/unproven creative team is paid a very small salary for the privilege of being given the chance to gain experience on the job while simultaneously enriching an ad agency and its clients. 

I know that the extent of the compensation varies from agency to agency, and that some are not guilty of what I’m about to describe, but in broad strokes young people, usually those with very little money, are paid very little money and given no formal employment benefits to audition for a job in advertising for an unspecified period of time.

That makes sense, doesn’t it? You’ve got to try the goods before making the purchase. You should be allowed to feel the depth of the nap and examine the stitching, otherwise you might buy something substandard, and that would be a disaster, wouldn’t it?

And there really aren’t enough jobs to go around, so the placement system is a chance for creatives to get some experience in an agency that can’t really afford them. That makes it kind a win-win: cheap work for the agency/client and a valuable shot at a foot in the door for the team. So where’s the downside?

Well, it’s right there, running through the entire industry like Blackpool through a stick of rock. First off is the self-selecting element, whereby the cost of living within commuting distance of an ad agency, making that commute and eating some food is almost always more substantial than a placement team’s remuneration. So where does the extra money come from? It’s either savings, a second job or the Royal Bank Of Mum And Dad. Obviously, most people in their early 20s don’t have any savings, and a second job is a pretty hard thing to manage in the 5-9 (that’s am to pm) slog of a junior creative team, which leaves us with the parents.

What kind of parents can support their kids in such an endeavour? Those with a decent amount of spare cash or a home in London with space for another adult (full disclosure: my dad was one of those people). Who does that exclude? The less well off and anyone living outside the M25. That’s a lot of people. 

All of this is compounded by the fact that the housing in many major cities has become increasingly expensive. So the system might have worked in the 70s and 80s, when a crappy flat in Paddington was within the housing benefit grasp of a working class kid from Wolverhampton, but there’s almost nothing that fits the bill in the same way today.

You might have heard the word ‘diversity’ pretty much everywhere recently, and how it’s a good thing for all sorts of reasons. In advertising, increased diversity gives the industry a greater ability to talk to more of the population in a way that they might find insightful and persuasive. If the industry is populated mainly by rich people from London that diversity is reduced, and the ads get worse. If you were a client, would you like worse advertising? Probably not.

If agencies can’t speak effectively to a broad and deep range of socioeconomic, racial and cultural sectors, clients will find someone who can. (If I were saying this out loud this is the point where I would make a coughing noise that sounds like ‘Facebook’.) The ability of social media and Google to create witty headlines and arresting visuals might be limited, but they can find left-handed Glaswegians who like Color Me Badd with alarming accuracy. 

So the money goes elsewhere, the wages in advertising go down, and that simply increases the talent drain that’s sending would-be copywriters and art directors into the arms of tech, social media and video games. Again, that’s not just down to how placements are organised, but it’s the first stage of a process that makes people who are sitting on the fence fall into someone else’s garden.

So what can be done to improve things? A decent initiative is the Placement Poverty Pledge from the Young Creative Council. It asks agencies to promise a living wage to its placements, rising to a £100 per day freelance rate after three months. Many top agencies have signed up, and that makes it a definite step in the right direction. 

But I’d go a step further: the placement system was born in the days when people were queueing around the block for a chance of two underpaid weeks at D’arcy Masius Benton and Bowles. Those days are no longer with us, at least not with a queue packed with the same level of talent. So if agencies want to attract the next Walter Campbell or Rosie Arnold they have to offer something more appealing than whatever Facebook or Rockstar Games is putting on the table.

That could be anything from better snacks to the opportunity to create the kind of mind-blowing work that used to be routine but is now little more exception than rule. But how about we start with this: no placements, just jobs. Account people and planners don’t have to flog themselves to death on weekly contracts for tuppence, so why should creatives? Yes, the youngsters might not work out, but creatives get fired at all stages in their career. Why should the first few months be so special?

ECDs get to see a book of work and meet the team behind it. Millions of people get hired every day based on far less. So how about a creative job pledge? It’ll help with diversity, industry appeal and, ultimately, the standard of the work.

I was every little hungry schoolgirl’s pride and joy and I guess it was enough for the weekend.

A tooth to the atomic level.

Painting with sunlight:

Winne The Pooh The Satanist:

Anthony Gormley Infinity Cube:

20ft vs 30ft drop:

A mí me gustaba la chica llamaba Rachel Tengo la voz, la fuerza, estiló y papel. Si te gusta vas a bailar como Ibiza. Soy como el sol. Hijo de Africa the weekend.

Ditch your job to make Lego sculptures and make $$$$$$$!!!!

Doc about neon signs:

The Censored Count (Good lord this is funny):


The history of the entire world:

How is prangent formed?

Hello, I’ve waited here for you, everlong. Tonight I throw myself into the weekend.

How Christopher Walken says Foo Fighters:

Man kills son’s kidnapper:

Neymar diving font (thanks, J).

Dipped paintings (thanks, J).


ITIAPTWC Episode 52 – Jeremy Craigen

Here’s my chat with Mr. Jeremy Craigen, one of the first names that sprung to mind when I first had the idea to do this podcast.

He’s a very good bloke, an excellent creative and one of the best CD/ECD/CCOs in the business.

Here we discuss…


Getting to a good agency from a bad one.

It doesn’t matter how long your product is in the ad, as long it makes the strongest impression.

Many logos can lead to excellence.

Demon Baby.

Working with Jonathan Glazer.

The ‘DoC’ system.

Larry Barker’s arrival.

Different styles of CD-ing.

Ewan Patterson’s arrival/becoming ECD.

Hiring people.

‘A ridiculous awards machine’.

The merger with Adam and Eve.

International vs local.

From VW to Kia/Innocean.

The future of advertising…

Here’s the iTunes link, the Soundcloud link and the chat:


Apologies for the poor quality. If anyone has a better one, let me know. For clarity, these are all the Budweiser logos through history with attendant historical events. The missing one says ‘Prohibition’.

A couple of the ads Jeremy mentioned from his time as ECD (for the rest, just check through D&AD from 2003-09):

‘Til kingdom come… Caught in this frenzy of elimination. Such an irreparable disintegration. My body’s twitching with the weekend.

Spiders on drugs:

Brand strategy made entertaining/simple:

Jimmy Page’s Grade 1 listed house.

The Simpsons, remixed:

It’s this thing now, that’s drivin’ me wild. I gotta see what’s up before it gets me the weekend.

Building a cruise ship.

Brand calligraphy.

1962 Monaco Grand Prix:

The black guy who attended KKK rallies:

The making of Jaws:

Boul ma sene, boul ma guiss madi re nga fokni mane Khamouma li neka thi sama souf ak thi guinaw Beugouma kouma khol oaldine yaw li neka si yaw the weekend.

Inside Paisley Park.

What to do when England inevitably leave the World Cup (thanks, M):

Documentary about the roots of built in obsolescence (you have to skip some bits if you don’t speak German. Sorry):

Excellent rapper impressions:

The Oral History of Hollywood: The Social Network:

One for all and all for one, Muskehounds are always ready. One for all and all for one, helping the weekend.

Unusual Burger King ad campaign.

Simple English Wikipedia is great for complicated shit.

Hegarty speaks the truth.

Spite houses.

Stormtrooper version of Cops:

One-In-A-Million sporting stuff: