How did you choose your partner?
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Hi there.
I was just thinking the other day about what made me work with the ADs I’ve chosen to work with (as opposed to the ones I’ve been put together with).
I only have two examples of this situation:
- My first AD, Paul, was one of the other students at Watford. If you’ve been there, or to any of the other advertising colleges, you’ll know that you kind of get a veritable smorgasbord of other creatives to choose from. Our year had around 30 people, and we were ‘given’ our partners for each project by the tutor, Tony. So you’d work with a few people and maybe there’d be some chemistry, or the work you produced was really good, and by the time you’d worked with everyone and now had to select someone more long-term, you’d have a good idea who that person might be. But it was also a bit like the school dance, in that your ideal date might already be betrothed to another, leaving you in a panicked flap, hoping your second choice might still be available (and not offended or put off by the fact that they were not your number one selection). So my first choice was another copywriter, called Jane (God knows who’d have done the art direction if we’d paired up), but she was already committed to her flatmate, Dave. I think they still work together, and have certainly spent many years at WCRS. So I then decided to ask Paul, and here’s why: we were doing a campaign for Linda McCartney’s veggie ready meals and came up with the idea of a tiny version of Linda sitting on the shoulders of models as they went down catwalks, suggesting they eat more substantial food (thin models were a big deal at the time). It was pretty odd, and not to everyone’s taste, but I thought to myself, ‘If this guy is happy to go with such weird stuff, I’d like to work with him’. So that was that. It seemed to work out until our laziness caused our boss at AMV to split us up, but that’s another story that I’m sure I’ve told on this blog already.
- Daryl was a very different situation. It was 2004, I think, and I was partnerless at AMV. Daryl was also partnerless, but that didn’t mean we’d automatically partner each other. I’d known Daryl for seven years, but we hadn’t really hung out that much. To be honest, he’d been more successful than me, so I wasn’t even sure he’d want to team up. And a further complication on my side was that a new AD was about to join, and it had been suggested that I’d work with her. But I was more interested in working with Daryl because he’d created better, more popular and more awarded TV ads, and I wanted to improve that part of my skill set. I can’t remember what happened next, but I soon found myself in the basement of the Dorchester Hotel sitting in a small room with Sharon Osbourne while Daryl shot an ad with Ozzy next door. When the shoot was over, Daryl and I went for a pint and asked each other if we wanted to give it a go, and that was that. Not sure exactly what Daryl saw in me, but I think he liked the fact that, like him, I was a massive ad nerd, who knew D&AD annuals backwards. I’d also written a continuation of one of his campaigns. My executions got into the Book and his didn’t, but in a way we’d kind of worked together already.
What about you?
Interesting – I’ve always wondered how it works. Potentially very awkward. Wonder if there is room for an app in the market, like Tinder for partnerless creatives……
…for me it’s been a bit like my love life insofar as anyone who’s shown the slightest bit of interest has suddenly appeared strangely attractive.
I’ve only had three ‘proper’ creative partners, Jennifer Kelly, Pat Doherty, and Chris Palmer.
I was offered the chance to team up with Jennifer by my old boss Bob Stanners at Leo Burnett. At the time I thought I had made it because all I wanted was to be an Art Director after years of being an Art worker/Visualiser. Who I actually worked with at that point with was immaterial.
As it turned out it was a great partnership despite the fact that we didn’t get much through. She was the brainy writer and I could draw funny pictures.
I think she was even more surprised and delighted that she’d found a partner that was happy to look round women’s clothes shops at lunchtime.
It was Pat’s first job in an agency, we didn’t work together long because she got offered another job at Saatchis which was a much sexier proposition at the time. We’re still big mates after all these years and we’re currently talking about teaming up to deliver some creativity training to clients.
I met Chris when he wandered onto the set I was shooting on at Shepperton. He was working on the stage next door on a St Ivel Shape commercial. I was working on a Cadbury’s Creme Egg ad that ended up as the first thing I ever got into D&AD.
He must of been impressed because he put me forward to be his Art Director at BBH.
At first John Hegarty turned his nose up at the idea and it was only when Chris threatened to leave that I got the job (something I’m still grateful for).
As we were both in our late 20’s we felt we had to pedal hard to make up for lost time (Chris had been a dispatch rider until he was 29). We worked round the clock, weekends, Bank Holidays (even Christmas day) and four years later we had our own agency Simons Palmer DENTON etc.
Things worked out well generally because we remained a creative team for over a decade before we both got the boot.
Since then the closest I’ve been to working as a team is with Dave Dye (we designed the 2008 Creative Circle Annual together). Who would have thought that two fussy Art Directors could agree on anything but it was a great experience (for me anyway).
Of course I’ve collaborated with loads of creative teams in my role as a director. I’m often quite sad when they go off at the end of the shoot and the temporary partnership is dissolved.
I’ve just started doing agency creative work again as I’ve been asked to help out on a couple of pitches. I loved it. It’s what I like doing best if I’m honest, coming up with ideas. (NB: I still like directing too)
I worked on my own which I find easy but it’s not half as much fun as slugging it out with a partner (mark@coy-com.com …if anyone’s interested).
Thanks for that very interesting and complete reply, Mark. x
I want to hear how you managed to not just be fired for being lazy.
I WAS fired for being lazy. That’s ANOTHER story.
I think Peter just thought things might work better if he swapped me and Paul around with another team that wasn’t working so well. He was right.
…I always like to complete.
i figured that since I was already married in real life, in my professional life I could be a complete whore. Zero loyalty. Total promiscuity. Maximum fun. I recommend this approach.
Really interesting post Ben. Is there a follow up planned? Why do teams split up (aside from actual fights, naked ambition, over-sized pay cheques etc)? Why do some teams stay together for the whole of their careers (never tempted? Really?). As a CD – can you see an ideal team in the department (but it would mean splitting up two existing teams to create it)? That sort of stuff.
Oooh, good idea.
Might do that next week.
Thanks!
Good timing. My partner just pulled another in a long line of sicky’s.
When I started as a copywriter in 1965 all the copywriters sat in one room and whatever we came up with as an idea was sent down the hall to the art directors to basically illustrate. Hard to believe, I know.
But when you did get a partner, how did you end up together?
Paired up by the CD and told to get on with it.
@Boot1947
You’re Peggy Olsen really, aren’t you?
Oh God, is it that obvious?
My approach is easy. Have two pints with a potential new partner. If you want to have a third one with them, they’ll be great to work with.
Well THAT just got me a hell of a lot of kudos down the young creative team filled pub!
Extremely flattered Mr Kay.
Not to rub salt into the wound but ironically I’ve ended up as the art director…we would’ve been fine and dandy.
Hope all’s well in your world.
Jane.x
Ha ha.
All good here.
I hope all is well with you.
Bx
PS: Dave’s not AD-ing? What a waste…
I get a good take when I ask if they are a pub man or a club man. Or if they like pina coladas and getting caught in the rain.