What a suntan can tell us about insignificance
When I was at school I was told that rich Elizabethans tried to make their faces look as pale as possible. In doing this, many of them died of lead poisoning as it was the principal ingredient in their whitening make-up.
The reason they did this was that a tan was seen as a sign of poverty. Peasants who had to work all day in the fields would have colour in their faces, so the theory went that the richer you were, the more you stayed indoors and the whiter your face would be.
Fast forward to the Twentieth Century and the reverse becomes the status quo: with the advent of air travel, it is seen as a sign of wealth to have a tan as it suggests that you can afford to go abroad and enjoy the sunshine that is less prevalent in the UK. And although it’s no longer that expensive to travel to sunny places, the tan’s place in society has largely remained the same: a symbol of some ability to travel and find the time to lie beside a swimming pool for a week. And the make-up situation has switched from white to brown as fake tans become more and more popular.
So there’s no intrinsic value to a suntan. We collectively decide whether it’s good or bad to have one and act accordingly. As a naturally pale person who doesn’t really tan much, I have tried and failed many times to get a tan. Why have I wanted one? Thinking about it, I have no clear idea. I suppose there’s some thought in the back of my mind that it looks better, but as the above proves, that is some temporary aesthetic value based on somewhat arbitrary criteria. In fact, as we all know, a tan is an indication of unhealthiness because it’s a sign that your skin has been mildly burned, so perhaps the pendulum is due a swing in the other direction (I can only hope).
But if there’s no intrinsic value to something that so many of us spend a great deal of time, money and effort to achieve, what else are we buying into based on an ultimately pointless pursuit of a collectively trumped up notion of superiority?
When you think about it, loads of things:
Almost all music, food choices based on flavour, colours, books, movies, paintings, weather, the position of cheekbones, wine, religion, conversation topics, Edwina Currie, most of politics, newspapers beyond their facts, football teams, scientific theories, wallpaper, age, race, sexual orientation, moustaches etc. etc. etc.
It’s all just one person’s white make-up over another person’s brown, and yet these opinions lead to very real consequences, sometimes including death.
Here’s a rule of thumb: if you can have two different opinions about it, it doesn’t matter. Obviously, what people can do with those opinions can matter a hell of a lot, but at its heart any dispute of that kind is simply a load of fuss about nothing.
Nice. I believe in questioning the value of one’s opinions. If you dislike someone, which is bound to happen from time to time, try not to think of it as an indictment of their character. That’s what I try to do and so far it’s only helped.
Opinions don’t matter at all. Almost everyone thinks theirs are incredibly significant, but they are utterly without significance.
This blog very much included.
interesting, damo. i only ever dislike someone because of their character – which accounts for their deeds/behaviour.
it’s all a load of bollocks at the end of the day. can’t think of anything more tiresome than something i already know: my opinion.
I gave up having opinions ages ago. In my experience someone always disagrees with it. In fact I’ve tried to think of an opinion with which no one can disagree and it’s impossible.
I used to get into debates that only served to entrench both protagonists further in an opinion that affects the world not one jot.
Daily Mail reader/ Guardian reader. Two cheeks of the same intolerant, bigoted, narrow-minded arse. Absolutely convinced that they and only they are correct.
I’m with Arthur Balfour (Prime Minister 1902) who said “Nothing matters very much and few things matter at all.”
It helps if one reads Montaigne and Marcus Aurelius. Set me free. But that’s just my opinion. Feel free to disagree.
Montaigne said, wisely IMHO, “The only thing I know is that I know nothing. And I’m not even sure about that.” Wise and funny.
Montaigne: The only thing I know is that I know nothing. And I’m not even sure about that.
Arthur Balfour (PM 1902): Nothing matters very much and hardly anything matters at all.
I’m with these two guys.
I haven’t had an opinion about anything for years. It has set me free. I no longer have to be right about everything.
In China it’s that way. Everyone wants to look pale. The leading make-up companies sell bleach and a tan is frowned upon.
Ben,
Not everywhere is Essex: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/skinwhitening-adverts-ignite-race-row-in-india-863936.html
I saw a headline in today’s Telegraph that stated “One in five children diagnosed as having special needs.” Not so ‘special’ any more then are they?
I don’t tan, I stroke.
IMHO: great comment. Let this lack of importance set you free.
Ray and Dave: I think that illustrates the point perfectly. And then when we’re all coffee coloured it’ll be like the end of the Star-Bellied Sneeches.
Not to be an ass, and you’re right that tans are an indicator of wealth and superiority, and that we value many things because of the desire to not only fit in but fit in with the elites, however, there are theories that oppose you saying that no opinions of taste have intrinsic value. From what I’ve read especially ‘paintings’ and ‘the position of cheekbones’. Evolutionary biology theorises that these things are more than current cultural norms, and they’re a product of all cultures over time which ultimately change our base make up. There’s a theory that beauty is an indicator of genetic strength and we’re attracted to beautiful people because our genes want to create babies with their genes. So what we appreciate is partly intrinsic. Denis Dutton’s ‘The Art Instinct’ gives an evolutionary theory about why we might appreciate the paintings we do, and Geoffrey Miller’s ‘Spent’ introduces the idea that all of our outward behaviour is done to attract the right mates.
These are only theories, and science’s job is to evolve what we know so theories should always be eradicated and replaced. And I think Matt Ridley’s ‘Nature via Nurture’ is equally important to remind us of the idea that nothing is set in stone and life plays a big part in making us who we are. And I’m a novice in this field so someone else might shoot me down but I don’t think we can pass off everything as opinion. That’s not to say that we should ever be a dick about having an opinion and we’re more than able to be aware of different theories and still be ‘free’ (as we and our opinions are all very insignificant in the grand scheme of things) but it’s always good to weigh up the various arguments, one of which is we do have some built in factors that will always make us value one thing over another because it’s in our human nature to do so.
“You know nothing. In fact, you know less than nothing. If you knew that you knew nothing, then that would be something, but you don’t.”
What about something like which side of the road you drive? Left in the UK, right pretty much everywhere else. Totally relative value, but try telling that to the French police!
Dave,
Re: Not everywhere is Essex. Surely we should only concern ourselves with Essex and it’s ilk. British Advertising to become British again. All this global generic stuff is dull as dishwater.
Opinion leads to debate, debate leads to philosophy, philosphy leads to a greater understanding of our world around us, which in turn leads to invention, science, medicine.
Is that useless.
Without opinion we may as well be ducks
But then, thats just my opinion.
Good post btw
Sanctify Yourself. Set yourself free.
‘I don’t give a shit’ or ‘Whatever’ is very cathartic.
Opinions like arseholes or pony tails like arseholes, arsehole ponytails with opinions, pony tailed opinionated arseholes, arsehole ponies, pony arseholes.
OI PONY YOU ARE AN ARSEHOLE!
Thanks for the comment, Verity. I would just ask a question regarding beauty: who says something is beautiful? One man’s Jordan is another man’s Dawn French, so with no ultimate rules about what is pleasing to the eye or mind there can be no right or wrong, just what is.
According to The Star, one man’s Jordan is also another man’s Jordan. But this is, perhaps, best left for another discussion.
I think Dutton (as Verity mentioned) makes an interesting point re beauty in his TED talk – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PktUzdnBqWI
Although I do wish he take a sip of water at some stage.
Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance is good on this topic – and a great story IMO – it’s a debate on this point – how comes we are able to value things but not know why? He pulls in all the various philosophical theories on these issues, so you get to see all the holes in many great thinkers on this topic. Once you can let go of some of your dogma life is more pleasurable.
Richard Allen Wilson believes we should replace the word is with believe. i.e. he was agnostic about everything.
I like his quote “don’t believe other peoples bullshit and be even more careful not to believe your own.”
Surely creatives need ‘informed’ opinions.
I hate people who say “it’s my opinion” but have no logical way of explaining how they arrived at it.
I went to college with Damien Hirst. He was well known for having very strong opinions. Like George Lois of DDB fame, everything was either fucking brilliant or fucking shite. No middle ground. People loved this, mainly because when it comes to art or ads (or many, many other things) no-one knows anything. They wanted him to be right and ended up believing that his eye, and his alone, could discern what was shinola. I do it everyday. People want my opinion and I give it. Of course it’s relative and if I asked them, they would acknowledge it.
But we all do it. We look to others, whether it be ECDs, film critics, book jurors, parents, whatever, to inform us. And it’s this that makes life interesting. It gives us a lot of passion and ultimately, something to stand for, or against.
Tanning and skin-lightening creams are very much in the news at the moment. Ben, you are very on-message. I never really noticed how pale you are, but you are. Even LA had no affect on your pallor.
dutton talks about beauty. but what is beauty? ive seen his talk a while back. his answers are too simplistic for my liking. for example, he talks about amercian movies and tv shows being watched/liked all around the world in the context of beauty. when from my point of view, a context of economics/imperialism/globalisation/ideology/younameit would be more fitting… ‘nature made babies beautiful so we dont eat them’. or maybe we think they are beautiful because they can do us no harm and need help. not every baby looks beautiful in an aesthetic sense… other animals do eat babies… how about ethics being the point, not beauty… in short, not buying it.
Adam, I’m also vaguely freckly. Did you notice that?
I entirely agree about the power and fun/interest/enjoyment of opinions. They do make the day go by like a motherfucker, but none of them matter.
I wonder what would happen if we all realised that and stopped doing it. Would the world get more boring? Less oppressive? What would we do with the brainpower that would otherwise deal with opinions?
Should we say’this chicken is setting off many of my synapses’ or ‘this is the most amazing piece of chicken I’ve ever tasted’?
Ben I completely agree that we interpret beauty differently because we’re different and value different things (& I think personality informs a lot of what we find attractive anyway). Life would be shit if we didn’t.
My point wasn’t that everyone has to see things the same but that there are theories about why we appreciate what we do and that some things are intrinsic. So there wouldn’t be ultimate rules to what we find attractive but guides to why we might appreciate what we do appreciate.
That said, I repeat my earlier comment that I’m a novice at this. I’m only repeating things I’ve read (but obviously I think they hold some merit or I wouldn’t repeat them.)
Also, you’ve picked two typically attractive people in Jordan and Dawn. Even though Jordan is trashy and Dawn is fat, they’re both good looking for their ‘types’.
Also, also, there’s another interesting TED talk about beauty from Richard Seymour and how tiny little amendments stop things from being considered ‘beautiful’.
You’ve written a cracking post as you open up a pretty life defining topic to debate. But I’ll stop now as I could go on forever. This is pretty much my favourite topic, ever: What makes us who we are? Is it nature or nurture?
Thanks, Verity.
In my view it’s nurture all the way. Aside from physical characteristics, just watch a baby or toddler repeat what he or she sees and hears.
But today I had chicken and it was dry like a textured plimsole. I know it doesn’t matter, but it was beyond opinion. It was balsa. Without opinion it would be thus (sort of),
‘Did you have the chicken?’
‘Yes.’
‘I too, had the chicken.’
At college the nature/nurture debate was this: it can only be nurture as the Marxist approach the college taught made ‘nature’ a wholly Fascist ideology – that could ultimately justifying the creation of a ‘perfect’ race if memory serves. Having had kids, I think the answer lies in between these two ultimately pointless poles.
You do have freckles Ben, I remember them in the first morning’s glow.
Perhaps some of it is genetic. I find women from all over the world attractive, but none so much as Asian women. I’ve lived all over the world, but never in Asia. So why do I think the way I do?
Oooh… I like the shit about fascist ideology.
Rob: why do you think your interest in Asian women is genetic? Why is it not down to seeing a hot Asian Bond girl when you were fourteen?
And thanks for all the comments. They’re I had dreamed of and more.
Hot Asian Bond girl? Was that the karate expert, Chop Suey?
Saying opinions don’t matter is just a matter of opinion. I think they do. And all these 31 comments are just that: opinions.
#10 & #31 were kick-ass jokes not opinions…
IMHO of course.