ITIAPTWC Episode 33 – Stef Jones

Stef Jones (along with his longtime creative partner, Tom Burnay) is the founder of Big Al’s Creative Emporium.

For those of you unaware, it’s that very rare thing: a successful ad agency founded and run by a pair of creatives.

How does that work? Well, have a listen to our chat and you’ll find out. If you still have any questions, do drop Stef a line at stef@bigalscreativeemporium.com or pop into Big Al’s Creative Emporium, 1st Floor, 77 Dean Street, London, W1D 3SH.

Otherwise, press play on your listening device and hear about the following…

The choice of paths in your thirties.

‘Better, quicker and costing less’.

Lots of starts and stops.

No premises, funding, staffing etc.

200 business cards as a metaphor for personalities.

Learn from lodging in a production company.

Little detour making a TV show.

Great creatives made available because they were squeezed from the new digital depts.

Creative client contact=smoothness.

Every client has their own level of creativity.

The three commandments.

Women ‘of a certain age’.

Once you commit the stars align.

Have lunch as cheaply as you can with as many people as you can.

Planning=somebody to tell you ‘why’.

Is it a big fucking hassle?

You either get it or you don’t.

Who finishes the work?

The Last Minute hypocritical anomaly.

Here’s the chat, the iTunes link and the Soundcloud link (apologies to you and Stef for a slightly abrupt ending, but it’s only a few seconds missing off the end).

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Oh, oh, Sheila let me love you till the morning comes. Oh, oh, Sheila you know I want to be the weekend.

Walkable world map (thanks, D).

Scorsese on the power of movies.

40 years of hip-hop (thanks, A):

All 213 Beatles songs, ranked from best to worst (thanks, A).

This game looks interesting:

Best actor of all time:



Cameron Crowe

Last week I went to a talk at the Writers Guild of America. It was an interview between Winnie Holzman, writer of Wicked and My So-Called Life, and Cameron Crowe, writer of Jerry Maguire, Almost Famous, Say Anything and Fast Times at Ridgemont High, among many others.

He’s exactly as nice as he seems in this picture he kindly agreed to take with me (I had just thanked him for making Almost Famous, a movie that especially resonated with me and my wife when we saw it in LA just before getting married):

So here’s some of his advice:

Life is a better storyteller than you are. Just after moving into a new apartment Cameron heard a knock on the door. He opened it to find a man dressed in martial arts gear who introduced himself as Lloyd and proceeded to explain that kickboxing was the sport of the future. He invited Cameron to watch him fight but Mr. Crowe declined. When Lloyd left Cameron went back inside to tell his roommate what had just happened. His roommate asked what he was waiting for and told him to write it all down. Check out Say Anything.

He actually wrote Say Anything as a novella first. This was advice from James L. Brooks, who said it would mean he’d have a lot of background material to give his actors and lots of nuance to use in his script. Cameron found this very helpful.

He thinks that people really just tell the same story over and over, but from different perspectives.

His family motto was from Winston Churchill: Never, never, never give up.

The most satisfying writing you can do is have two characters look at each other and say nothing. That’s when you know you’ve written them well.

Choose your own music. Don’t come up with entire story then let some music supervisor add his own taste to your work (or even worse, the taste of what he thinks the audience might like).

He has a list of names for characters all ready. When he needs one he just calls them into action, as if they’ve been sitting on a subs bench.

You have to really earn an ‘on the nose’ line (such as ‘You complete me’) by building up to it in a way that makes the audience OK with accepting it.

This one isn’t advice, but he once interviewed Pete Townsend for Playboy. It was going to be a cover story but Pete thought that was the kind of thing you did at the end of your career. So Cameron explained that the alternative was a little 750-word piece with a small mention on the cover. Pete preferred that, but proceeded to give him a five hour interview, almost all of which couldn’t be used.

Thanks, Cameron.



ITIAPTWC Episode 32 – Brydon Gerus

Four years ago my good friend Brydon Gerus created an advertising award scheme called Adcan.

Unlike literally every other award scheme in the entire industry, it seeks to combine young, hungry creative people with briefs for companies that do GOOD THINGS©. It also taps into some of the best production companies in the world for support, opportunities and judging.

From Partizan and Rattling Stick to Psyop, Nexus and The Mill, many great production partners have signed up help Adcan grow. But they’ve also been joined by companies like Anonymous Content and Vice to give young creative talent as much exposure and support as possible.

If you’re interested in taking part (it’s free!), visit their site.

We discussed…

What Adcan is and how it started.

Why Cannes was a turnoff.

How to do good in the world.

And make a name for yourself.

The morality of advertising.

Advertising as a force for ‘good’.

Change from the inside.

How Adcan went from a thought to a reality.

Managing the partners.

The more Brydon tries to give Adcan away, the stronger it comes back.

The exposure it gives filmmakers.

The vision for the future.

Good Yin balancing out a questionable Yang?

Why awards?

How did they get the word out?

‘Using Creativity As A Force For Good.’

You need a team (big up Dan, Debs, Eric etc.).

Here’s the chat, the iTunes link and the Soundcloud link.

Cheers! x

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We were talking about the space between us all. And the people who hide themselves behind the weekend.

Elle Fanning fan fanning etc. (thanks, S):

David Fincher Invisible Details (thanks, J):

The best albums of hip-hop’s golden age.

Trump Tripadvisor (thanks, P).

Making a cutting board with 3D effect (thanks, T).

Top five plot points of all time:

i think I’ve put this up before, but it bears repeating:



ITIAPTWC Episode 31 – Javier Campopiano

This week’s interview is with Javier Campopiano, Chief Creative Officer of Saatchi and Saatchi New York.

On the basis of his award-winning work and super-high-flying job, he’s a very worthy interview subject, but I also wanted to chat to him because he achieved all that from a starting point of Argentina. Now, I’m not suggesting for a moment that South America is some kind of creative backwater – far from it – but I wanted to explore his story to see if the lessons we can take from it are universal. And indeed they are.

Javier has made great work and moved to the top of his industry, just like you’d like to. But his path could be anyone’s path; it just happened to start in Argentina.

So have a listen and you’ll see how that journey happened, with the following specifics…

Advertising = Business + Art.

Networking by fixing Macs.

The influence of Agulla y Baccetti.

Start your own company before you get a job.

Move jobs via tennis.

Or weddings.

The benefits of working abroad.

The rise of South America.

How awards affected networks and vice versa.

How to become an ECD and what to do when it happens.

The experience and effect of winning a Cannes Grand Prix at an agency you’ve left.

The pros and cons of winning awards.

Zombie grannies.

More moves to the US.

The power of ‘Nothing Is Impossible’.

Cracking the Superbowl for P&G.

Comedy/Darkness.

Here’s the chat, the iTunes link and the Soundcloud link:

And here’s some of Javier’s best work (more here):

 

 

 

 

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It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way—in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only.

Charles Dickens, A Tale Of Two Cities (1859).

After writing the best of times/blurst of times post below, I decided to look up the real quote.

It’s one of the greatest sentences ever written, it’s about comparing 1775 to 1859 and it’s skin-crawlingly relevant in 2017.



I try to understand because I’m people too, and playing games is part of human nature. My heart’s in overdrive It’s great to be the weekend.

Fluid art (thanks, T):

How to make potentially lethal prison wine:

Comedy wildlife photos of the year (thanks, N).

London’s prettiest cinemas (thanks, A).

Classic movies condensed into a single frame (thanks, T2).

The best shots of all time (thanks, J):

Pacino does a cockney accent (kind of. Thanks, A):

British threat levels.

What’s it like being Pornhub’s ad agency?

Star Wars opening 40 years ago.



It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times.

Having interviewed around 30 people for my podcast, I’m getting a sense of certain things as far as 2017 advertising is concerned.

I’m not going to go into all of them – life’s too short, and anyway everything is available on the podcasts in a form that hasn’t been filtered through my subjective brain.

But I am going to focus on one general point: we live and work in an age when there are more opportunities in more media than ever before. Isn’t that fan-fucking-tastic? Kind of. On the surface that’s a giant upside, but for some reason the work is worse than it’s been for decades and people in the industry don’t seem to be very happy about this glorious proliferation of chances to tell the rest of the planet about washing powders, cars and Pop Tarts.

The good bit is indeed good: having a bigger palette from which to paint and a bigger canvas upon which to splash that paint can only be a GOOD THING©. Alas, weirdly enough, it’s also the cause of some new SHIT THINGS©.

(Having said that, there’s no reason to get all depressed. After I wade through the poo, I end on an positive note…)

Anyway, here are some good things and their less good consequences:

  1. Loads of different media in which to work. Yes, on the surface that seems like a brilliant opportunity to be creative in different ways; to stretch and explore; to create artful graffiti instead of wiping poo on the walls. But the problems are legion: back in ‘the day’, when you only had to make press, poster, TV and radio ads, one team could do them all and one person could CD that team. Now you have to have digital, social, experiential, branded content and that jazz, and although one team might be able to manage it all from a conceptual standpoint, they probably can’t do so in the time allotted. So they need a few more people to help and those people are likely to be young, cheap and (at the time they’re briefed) not yet very good at their jobs. So the quality of work gets diluted and (here’s the real kicker) so does the money to pay for it. It’s simple maths: £100 between two people is more for each person than £100 between eight people. Then you’ve got the CD, or rather CDs, or rather ECDs. The modern ECD can’t possibly oversee all that stuff, so he must delegate some of it to other CDs, some of whom will be equally important ECDs in the digital, social, experiential or branded content agencies on the client’s roster. Of course, this splits the money up and leaves us in a situation where a big team in 2017 earns the same as one in 1987 (and I’m neither joking nor exaggerating. £100k-150k is the sum I’m talking about). But in 1987 you could buy a house in Chelsea with three years’ wages. Now you’d need 33 years’ wages. So now there are indeed lots of great opportunities, but also lots of people with whom to share your salary, and the ownership and/or control of your campaign.
  2. There are lots more jobs (I think). As a corollary to point 1 the wider range of things that are now required means that more people must be employed to do those things. And although I’m sure that many companies have simply asked the same number of people to work harder, there are definitely people on the creative side of things who weren’t there in 1996, or 2006. But are they just different versions of what advertising used to need? That’s a hard one to answer. Digital/Experiential/UX staff might simply have replaced some copywriters and art directors. The other thing that might well have happened is an acceleration of ageism. With so many more new, cheap youngsters arriving at the bottom of the pyramid, the top has probably shrunk. ECDs might even want to keep the older members of the department on, but when they look at budgets, work required and headcount, something has to give, and £200k worth of senior team might well be the most obvious version of that ‘something’. This is another manifestation of the requirement for quantity over quality that seems to have increased in recent years.
  3. More opportunities all over the place. This is slightly different to the possible increase in the number of jobs. Have you noticed that every company on Earth thinks it can be an ad agency right now? That’s odd, isn’t it? Production companies, media agencies, post houses, clients… They all think that they can offer ‘creative solutions’ along with whatever else they used to provide. Does that mean what ad agencies do is easy to replicate? Is the work that comes out of these places any good? Does the (I assume) financial saving justify using people who are new to the whole game? And does this whole movement devalue advertising? After all, if any old Tom/Dick/Harriet can come up with a viable agency then what’s the point of the good and/or expensive ones?
  4. Globullshit®. Ads are now running everywhere. That’s pretty cool, isn’t it? Your copy line might be running in Singapore, France or the Democratic Republic of Congo! Wait till your mum finds out! And for some brands that can mean good things, after all, most winners of the Cannes Grand Prix for film could run all over the world, and some do. But that’s the top of the top of the top of the top of the top. For everyone else it’s the death of a thousand comments about cultural differences and language barriers that means reducing your laser-guided brilliance to the drunken pull of a shotgun trigger. But money talks, and making one ad for 7.5 billion people is much cheaper than making 45 ads for the same audience. Does that compromise the quality? Of course. Does anyone really care? Maybe, but do they even know if they’ve compromised the quality? I’d argue not. One person’s 7/10 is another person’s 6/10. And if people don’t know or care, why would they pay to solve a problem they don’t think exists?

So where does that leave us? I think there are still a lot of people out there who got into advertising to do great work and have a good time. The work has certainly become less great overall, but that doesn’t mean greatness is impossible, so the carrot of wowing the world is still there. But chasing after a smaller, mankier carrot is obviously not as tempting a proposition as chasing a big, fat, juicy one.

Has the amount of fun changed? That’s harder to say. I’m sure some of the younger people getting into the industry still find it very interesting and enjoyable, and I’d imagine for many of the others it still beats digging roads or emptying the dog shit bin in parks. But I’d be a lying bastard if I told you that was the case for everyone. I’ve had a few chats recently (not podcasts) with creatives of my vintage who are just fed up with it all. Is that because twenty years of doing the same thing has left them bored and jaded? Or is it because the job really isn’t as free and fun as it used to be?

So what, if anything, is the solution? That’s up to everyone who wants to stay in the business. You can still do the kind of thing you did in the mid-nineties, or you can get with the fascinating new shizzle that seems to be all over the place. You can work at JWT, or you can work at Framestore, or Apple, or set up your own place and do everything exactly as you would like.

There really is not a shortage of options. They may not all pay what they used to, or send 90-second, million-pound cinema briefs across your desks on a regular basis, but those horses left town a long time ago. Just tighten your belt a little, decide what really floats your monkey and work out how to do it. I know that’s easier said that done, but so is literally everything.

Good luck!



ITIAPTWC Episode 30 – Danny Kleinman

This week I was utterly delighted to chat to Danny Kleinman.

As I looked through his work a Kanye West lyric kept repeating in my head: ‘I’ve forgot better shit than you ever thought of’. This is because I kept finding classic ad after classic ad that made me think, ‘Oh yeah! Danny did that one, too’.

When I started in advertising he was just rising to prominence as one of the handful of directors (Budgen, Glazer, etc.) that attracted and did justice to all the prestige scripts.

In 2001 my AD and I were fortunate enough to write something that Danny agreed to direct (the Pepsi spot below), leading to a most enjoyable week in New Orleans and a delightful ad.

It’s also worth mentioning that he did all the James Bond title sequences since 1991.

Anyway, he’s a great director and fine company. Here’s what we discussed:

How he started in music videos with the help of Steve Barron (and his sister).

Danny’s pre-punk music career, which connected with Adam Ant, among other famous people.

Why the video for Don’t You Forget About Me features the band in a roomful of toys.

Music videos as film school.

Fleetwood Mac’s tricky 80s stage.

Comedy? Post? Comedic post?

Van Halen led to a life in advertising.

Paul Silburn.

Famous comedians (particularly Peter Kaye).

The director’s job is to bring the performance out of people.

Diversity vs a set style.

Lack of money made the John West bear better.

How do the Bond titles happen?

How do you create a Cannes Grand Prix-winner (and do Cannes Grands Prix matter)?

Camden mudskippers.

Johnny Walker ‘Fish’, and how hard it was.

Audi ‘Jimi Hendrix’.

How Rattling Stick came about.

Adam and the Ants x Jimmy Savile.

Here’s the chat, the iTunes link and the Soundcloud link (I hope it’s all good. The switch to Garageband has been a little stressful. And I’ve been really busy this weekend).

 

And here are some of his best promos, title sequences and ads:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3pbcFm1xpU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6woaSJTMFU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny_NdCyzo3Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KumSlToRIwY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pFf2pRhqo8

 

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